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	<title>Comments on: To Hell With Romans 13</title>
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		<title>By: remixing romans 13: submit to the authorities &#171; life.remixed</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remixing romans 13: submit to the authorities &#171; life.remixed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 04:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in 2008 Brian Walsh* penned a piece on the Empire Remixed blog (no relation&#8230;) entitled To Hell with Romans 13. In it he challenges the standard reading of Romans 13, which interprets Paul as legitimating [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in 2008 Brian Walsh* penned a piece on the Empire Remixed blog (no relation&#8230;) entitled To Hell with Romans 13. In it he challenges the standard reading of Romans 13, which interprets Paul as legitimating [...]</p>
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		<title>By: remixing romans 13: submit to the authorities &#171; life.remixed</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remixing romans 13: submit to the authorities &#171; life.remixed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his 2008 post on the Empire Remixed blog (no relation&#8230;), wrote a brilliant piece entitled To Hell with Romans 13. In it Walsh challenges the standard reading of Romans 13, which interprets Paul as legitimating [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his 2008 post on the Empire Remixed blog (no relation&#8230;), wrote a brilliant piece entitled To Hell with Romans 13. In it Walsh challenges the standard reading of Romans 13, which interprets Paul as legitimating [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Reflection on Violence &#171; Empire Remixed</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Reflection on Violence &#171; Empire Remixed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] final arbiter of truth, but Brian Walsh takes this passage on in his challenging 2008 post &#8220;To Hell With Romans 13.&#8221; If the title offends you, just wait till you read the content: Let me put my cards on the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] final arbiter of truth, but Brian Walsh takes this passage on in his challenging 2008 post &#8220;To Hell With Romans 13.&#8221; If the title offends you, just wait till you read the content: Let me put my cards on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M. Dillon</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Dillon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmm, idolatry, deceit, violence, repression and imperialism.  Sounds pretty much like the Roman empire of the Paul&#039;s time--the context for the Apostles instruction in Romans 13.  If Christians of the first century could be asked to be respectful of Rome, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too much for us to do the same today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, idolatry, deceit, violence, repression and imperialism.  Sounds pretty much like the Roman empire of the Paul&#8217;s time&#8211;the context for the Apostles instruction in Romans 13.  If Christians of the first century could be asked to be respectful of Rome, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too much for us to do the same today.</p>
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		<title>By: To hell with Romans 13 &#171; GOSPEL &#124; COMMUNITY &#124; MISSION</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[To hell with Romans 13 &#171; GOSPEL &#124; COMMUNITY &#124; MISSION]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 17, 2009 in Uncategorized &#124; by Rob Davis    Ha! An interesting blog post by Brian J. Walsh.       [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 17, 2009 in Uncategorized | by Rob Davis    Ha! An interesting blog post by Brian J. Walsh.       [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Compendium on Romans 13 and Rev. 17 &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Compendium on Romans 13 and Rev. 17 &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his hearers to &#8220;submit&#8221; to civil authorities. I&#8217;m often tempted to respond, with Brian Walsh, &#8220;to hell with Romans [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his hearers to &#8220;submit&#8221; to civil authorities. I&#8217;m often tempted to respond, with Brian Walsh, &#8220;to hell with Romans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dlw</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-397</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say Paul was also warning that Christians shd avoid trying to rival the state in the use of violence.  He does not reject the use of violence or its threat to reduce other bads, its just not how one truly advances the kingship of God.  

I&#039;ve described it as the Post-Babylonian State having a divine role in providing cover-fire for the Church to do its calling to overcome evil with self-sacrificial love without hypocripsy.  The issue then is whether members of the Church can do this, along with participating in the administration and reform of how the state wield&#039;s its monopoly on the legit use of violence.  I think Christians can, but only with risk that we&#039;ll start wanting power for its own sake, rather than to influence ongoing reforms of the rules that govern us, as a critical but not central part of how we love our neighbors.

dlw(don&#039;t forget a new kind of third party blog, third parties who submit to two-party dominance of our system as a way to influence its ongoing changes in laws/regulations/customs is a way to resolve the dilemma poised in Romans 13.  One can submit to an existing order while working in nonviolent ways to witness to God&#039;s kingship by altering the existing order so more of humanity may enjoy God&#039;s blessings and God-given respites from the suffering that we naturally must endure in this fallen world.

dlw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say Paul was also warning that Christians shd avoid trying to rival the state in the use of violence.  He does not reject the use of violence or its threat to reduce other bads, its just not how one truly advances the kingship of God.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve described it as the Post-Babylonian State having a divine role in providing cover-fire for the Church to do its calling to overcome evil with self-sacrificial love without hypocripsy.  The issue then is whether members of the Church can do this, along with participating in the administration and reform of how the state wield&#8217;s its monopoly on the legit use of violence.  I think Christians can, but only with risk that we&#8217;ll start wanting power for its own sake, rather than to influence ongoing reforms of the rules that govern us, as a critical but not central part of how we love our neighbors.</p>
<p>dlw(don&#8217;t forget a new kind of third party blog, third parties who submit to two-party dominance of our system as a way to influence its ongoing changes in laws/regulations/customs is a way to resolve the dilemma poised in Romans 13.  One can submit to an existing order while working in nonviolent ways to witness to God&#8217;s kingship by altering the existing order so more of humanity may enjoy God&#8217;s blessings and God-given respites from the suffering that we naturally must endure in this fallen world.</p>
<p>dlw</p>
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		<title>By: childofprussia</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[childofprussia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this post!! It&#039;s something I&#039;ve had on my mind and heart for a long time now, but haven&#039;t put in words nearly as well as this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post!! It&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve had on my mind and heart for a long time now, but haven&#8217;t put in words nearly as well as this!</p>
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		<title>By: To Hell With Romans&#160;13 &#187; mattwiebe.com</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[To Hell With Romans&#160;13 &#187; mattwiebe.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] To Hell With Romans&#160;13 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Empire Remixed: To Hell With Romans 13 &#171; An Absolution Revolution - oraculum seditionis</title>
		<link>http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Empire Remixed: To Hell With Romans 13 &#171; An Absolution Revolution - oraculum seditionis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] unemployed and have all kinds of time to write, so we&#8217;ll see. In the meantime, I give you To Hell With Romans 13 by Brian [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unemployed and have all kinds of time to write, so we&#8217;ll see. In the meantime, I give you To Hell With Romans 13 by Brian [...]</p>
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